Did I Go Over to the Dark Side? Added a Wrangler

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Did I Go Over to the Dark Side? Added a Wrangler

Postby Charles Helm » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:18 pm

I wanted something lighter for the sticky clay mud in the area we started hunting a couple of years ago and picked up a Cert. Pre-owned Jeep.

Quite a bit lighter than the H2, also a tighter fit inside when loaded up.

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Re: Did I Go Over to the Dark Side? Added a Wrangler

Postby Mark » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:24 am

You don't officially go over to the dark side until you get the Jeepers attitude but I don't see that happening so you'll be good :lol:

Congratulations on the new toy.
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Postby Charles Helm » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:31 pm

Thank you sir. My H2 is still my favorite vehicle I have owned. The Jeep is loud, cramped, and rough in comparison. However, the Jeep's lighter weight is a big plus when I m trying not to cut ruts in the sticky mud.
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Postby Mark » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:39 pm

Yeah, that weight difference is definitely going to be noticeable in those situations. Got any plans for it mods wise?
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Postby Charles Helm » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:01 pm

The week after I bought it, I put it in the shop for new bumpers, winch w/synthetic line, extra lights up front (two cubes and small bar), and swing-away tire carrier. Added the license plate relocation kit and high-mounted brake light afterward. Lastly, I replaced the factory mats with Weathertech ones. Oh, I upgraded the winch hook to a Warn Epic model.

So far everything has been used and useful, except I have not had to use the winch and hope it is not needed. I did buy some Maxsa traction aids before I got the Jeep and managed to unstick the H2 with them. Some how I found the only hole big enough to stick the truck in the dry season. :wall: I try to throw them in when I head out. I need a better way to carry them around since they take up a lot of room.

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I would like some extra lights in the back. Could use a receiver hitch on the front and a folding cargo carrier to replace the one I have.

Around here, most everyone has a lift and bigger tires (but stock tire carrier, which is not rated for heavy tires) but just goes to the mall and around town. I priced doing it the right way to retain on and off road manners and have passed for now. So far I don't need the extra clearance.
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Postby Mark » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:09 am

Sounds like you are doing it right, buying the actual useful and needed items versus just all the cool looking stuff.

Best kind of winch is one you have but never need :lol:

I go through phases where mine gets used a lot then not at all for a long time. Though I have used it on others more than I have on myself. Of course when you do find that one hole like you did in the H2 you are sure glad you have it. I have considered those and other traction aids but my issue is exactly what you mentioned, they take up so much room.

It's so funny you mention what most others are doing with theirs around you. Around here there are tons of nicely setup JKs but on the vast majority of them the undercarriage is about as spotless as the day it left the dealer. They are all setup for looks and will never take them anywhere more serious than the beach. Of course there are all those guys running around with 37s on the stock tire carrier like you mentioned or running 37s on the Jeep with a stock tire for the spare. There is even a guy I see around here that spent a ton setting his up including a very nice winch bumper but he didn't want to spend the money on a winch. Instead of having an empty bumper he went out and bought a very cheap ATV winch and installed it, though I am sure it isn't even wired up :roll:
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Postby Charles Helm » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:05 pm

Mark wrote:There is even a guy I see around here that spent a ton setting his up including a very nice winch bumper but he didn't want to spend the money on a winch. Instead of having an empty bumper he went out and bought a very cheap ATV winch and installed it, though I am sure it isn't even wired up :roll:


That's hilarious.

I have hung the Maxsa's over the back of back seat with bungee cords attached below the head rests and that gets them sort of out of the way, unless I really have to load up the back, which is what usually happens.

When I was looking at Jeeps, I had to repeatedly stress that it was intended to get dirty so I needed to know how it was set up. Most of the sales people had no real clue about axle ratios, lifts, limited slips, tires, etc.
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Postby Mark » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:15 am

That's a pretty good idea on the storage of the Maxsa's.

That is one thing that stood out to me about the Hummer salesman versus those with other brands. They seems to really know the specs and technical details of the trucks. Start asking just about any other salesman about these things and they are clueless. I was at the auto show back in about '07 I think it was and Toyota had a test track you could drive some of their trucks on. It was a dirt course in the parking lot with some climbs and off camber areas. Nothing extreme but to the average person that has never wheeled probably exciting. Well I am talking with several of the "specialists" they had there explaining the capabilities of the trucks to people and I ask what the crawl ratio was, all four of them just stood there staring at me like deer in headlights. Now you would expect Jeep salesman to have at least an above average understanding of the vehicles.
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Postby Charles Helm » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:20 pm

I am sure there are Jeep salespeople who are knowledgeable but in my experience the higher-end dealerships tend to have sales people that have been there longer and are more knowledgeable.

The first time I looked at a 4-door Jeep the sales person told me I didn't want a Rubicon mainly because he didn't have one. He thought I needed the Jeep Commander... :duh: I asked how hard it was to put the top up and he said he had only been there a few months and did not know how. :wall:

I did meet a used car salesperson at a Land Rover dealership who was more comfortable explaining the BMWs rather than the off-road capabilities of the Range Rover.
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Postby Mark » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:38 am

Yeah, too many of them are focused on making the sale easiest for them regardless of if it's what you really want or not. I think most dealers have too many models under one roof so a good portion of the sales staff don't know much about them. That was the nice thing about Hummer, 3 models to know.

Of course I have seen the sell them whatever I can type of guy at a Hummer dealership too. While wheeling at Tellico back in '06 a friend blew her front diff so we had to take her truck to Knoxville Hummer. When we arrived a salesman was delivering and H3 with adventure package to a couple. They had to have been in their late 70s or 80s, he used a walker and she used a cane. Why the hell did they need the adventure package. Thought it was cool though that they were buying a Hummer.
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Postby Charles Helm » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:59 pm

I emailed ARBUSA about their slide-out storage for the JK Unlimited Jeep. They said the top of their system supports ~165 pounds evenly distributed. Looks like I would be better off with a trailer, although I hate to add to the rolling stock around here.

Now that the H2 is out of the shop, daughter number 2 will be driving the jeep until she moves back to the dorm next weekend.
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Postby Mark » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:47 am

Even if you can't carry enough weight on top a drawer setup sure is nice to have for organization. Sure doesn't seem like theirs can handle much weight. Not sure how much I have put on top of mine but the loaded fridge is pretty heavy let alone everything else that goes on top for a trip.

So you have mixed feelings about your daughter going back to school, don't want to see her leave but want to get your Jeep back :lol:
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Postby Charles Helm » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:16 pm

I'm wondering if ARB thought I meant how much weight you could put on it and roll it out? Seems like a low number to me.

Got the Jeep back and promptly had someone roll into it at a light. Said her brakes must have locked up. Bumper got scratched and moved a bit. Her front end was trashed.

Collins Brothers refinished the bumper like new, and she paid the bill. Still want to adjust it a bit to get more clearance over the tailgate bumpers on the side it was pushed forward.

Looks like I will be driving whatever has gas in it until the local gas panic is over. Everyone and their dog tried to fill up at the same time. Chaos is the result.
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Postby Mark » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:50 am

Yeah, I thought that seemed pretty low too. Never tested but I would think I could stand anywhere on mine, not evenly distributed, with no issues and I am a bit over 165lbs :lol:

That sucks about getting hit. Glad to hear she paid to have it refinished.

Heard it was a zoo down there trying to get gas. I was in KC this past weekend with my uncle who is from Dallas and he said there were lines everywhere for gas if they even had any. Plenty of lines around here this week and the stores are getting cleared out of supplies very quickly. From what I have heard a lot of the standard items you would need in times like this were diverted to Texas so they didn't have as much on had as normal around here. Don't know if that is true or not but there isn't a shortage of beer so we should be good :lol:
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Postby Charles Helm » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:08 pm

Gas is still hit-or-miss here. Still some stations either completely out or out of some grades of gas and/or diesel Compared to dealing with a hurricane it is just a minor inconvenience.

Be careful. Irma looks quite nasty. The predicted track was shifting east the last day or so but the latest update puts it more in the middle of Florida at least initially. All subject to much change.

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