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Postby f5fstop » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:08 pm

True a 10mm has a .40 bullet. However, there is a noticeable difference between the balistics of the two calibers. About the best you can get in a .40, 200gr. full-metal jacketed flat point is 1050fps / 490 ft/lbs- (4.0"bbl).

For the same size bullet in a 10mm round, 200 gr. full-metal jacketed flat point is 1275fps / 722 ft./lbs.

Now if I want to add some punch, there is the 230gr Wide Flat Nose Gas Check Hardcast, 1120fps/ 641 ft./lbs.

A .40, even though I really like the round for self-defense against two-legged or small animals, is not that great when it comes to stopping larger 4-legged or for swaying the minds of some 4-legged animals that like to walk on 2-legs at times.
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Postby Hummerh309 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:22 am

I know this is handguns but lets say an extended handgun lol, what would be better to go for a 30-06 or 308 rifle? Ive heard mixed opinions and maybe someone here could shed some light.
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Postby Bellvis » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:11 am

A good friend of mine recently got the Glock 10mm. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but when I do I'll let you know.
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Postby Charles Helm » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:35 am

Hummerh309 wrote:I know this is handguns but lets say an extended handgun lol, what would be better to go for a 30-06 or 308 rifle? Ive heard mixed opinions and maybe someone here could shed some light.


How do you plan to use it? Both are pretty flexible rounds. Of course, there is a rifle thread somewhere where this might fit better.
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Postby Hummerh309 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:01 am

Well Ive been told the Ar-15 uses the 308 and was hoping to just use at the range and then maybe get a standard 308 rifle for hunting
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Postby Charles Helm » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:56 pm

Hummerh309 wrote:Well Ive been told the Ar-15 uses the 308 and was hoping to just use at the range and then maybe get a standard 308 rifle for hunting


True AR-15 is a 5.56 or .223. AR-10 is a 7.62 or .308. The scaled-up AR-type semi-auto .308s, especially the more accurate ones, tend to be a bit heavy. For enough money, you can get a very accurate semi-auto .308 like the LaRue Tactical OBR. For a lot less you can get a bolt gun with a good synthetic stock, like one of the Remington tactical models with a H-S Precision stock.

The .30-06 has more powder capacity and can get a little more velocity with any given bullet weight. Conversely, the .308 is arguably a little more efficient and gets close to the same velocity with less recoil and can be used in a shorter-action rifle compared to the '06.

f you want an AR-style rifle the .308 is it. You can get an '06 in a semi but not in the AR-15 or AR-10 platform, at least to my knowledge. There is the Garand, of course.
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Postby Robo » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:41 pm

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Postby f5fstop » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:18 pm

Ok, I didn't jump to the darkside and get a Glock 20. :D

Decided if I wanted something that had a chance to stop a small black bear when camping or hiking in the Rockies, I needed to go, at a minimum, to a .44 mag. So I got a Taurus Ultralite .44 titanium six round revolver. Fired almost 100 rounds through it from 180 gr DPS practice ammo to 320 Cor-Bon Hunter ammo and it fired flawlessly. Only problem was with Hornady 225 gr ammo.
Bullet creeped considerably, but this was due to the bullet having a tapered crimp vs. a roll crimp recommended for revolver ammo, and the shells expanded to the point I had to push them out of the cylinder bores with a cleaning rod.

But the Cor-Bon fired flawlessly....
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Postby JustinOK » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:05 pm

f5fstop wrote:Ok, I didn't jump to the darkside and get a Glock 20. :D

Decided if I wanted something that had a chance to stop a small black bear when camping or hiking in the Rockies, I needed to go, at a minimum, to a .44 mag. So I got a Taurus Ultralite .44 titanium six round revolver. Fired almost 100 rounds through it from 180 gr DPS practice ammo to 320 Cor-Bon Hunter ammo and it fired flawlessly. Only problem was with Hornady 225 gr ammo.
Bullet creeped considerably, but this was due to the bullet having a tapered crimp vs. a roll crimp recommended for revolver ammo, and the shells expanded to the point I had to push them out of the cylinder bores with a cleaning rod.

But the Cor-Bon fired flawlessly....


I'd rather have more capacity if I'm shooting at a bear/other large game. One of my friends just picked up a G20 back in January and its a nice hand cannon. I'm considering picking one up as well for trips out where I'm no longer the upper echelon of the food chain (you know, like Detroit). :lol:
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Postby f5fstop » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:42 pm

If you are talking Detroit, you might want an Uzi or a MAC10. :D Or better yes, a tank battalion. And yes, in Detroit, capacity is very important, as well as being able to aim correctly when under fire from some street punks or gangs. :D

But even if capacity it is a nice factor, the 10 just does not have the impact of the .44 mag for something that has a lot of fat, bone and one tough hide (damn that sounds a lot like most of the residents of Detroit) :D

A large 10 with a 220 gr HC Buffalo Bore hits about 1140 fps and around 650 lb ft of energy (out of a stock model 20 barrel). A lot more than a .40 granted.

A 305 gr HC BB .44 hits about 1300 fps and 1104 lb ft of energy out of a 4 inch barrel. And I believe the Cor-Bon 300 gr FPPN which I'm going to load, hits a little higher than the BB ammo.

And I will add, the Glock barrels are notorious for being inaccurate with really heavy ammo, and if you replace the barrel with a Lone Wolf, Storm lake or KKM, they don't like to feed the blunt HC ammo (I got that from the mfgrs of the barrels). So the 15 round capacity might end up to be one round fired with the next round not fed correctly into the chamber.

here's a great Hickok video showing how inaccurate the standard glock barrel is shooting some of the big double tap ammo, some have stated it might be due to the riflingl rifeling in the glock barrel. He does switch to a lone wolf and has no feeding problems. I wonder if he reamed out the chamber a bit and did something to the ramp?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0satEk ... ure=relmfu

Not knocking the Glock it's a great gun and the 10 is an impressive round, but I spent some time on the Glock forum, and a few others, and as good as the Glock is, it has problems with those large flat nose bullets. And for large game, those large flat nose bullets are the recommended round. Hollow points suck, not enough penetration, and FMJ's don't cause enough damage on their way in.


But as heavy as the 10 can be, I'll stick with a .44 or larger and if I go further north to brown bear country, I may get a .454 Casul or possibly a .50.

And yes, I know there have been cases of black bears being killed by just about every caliber known all the way down to the .22. Besides, my first round of defense will be some potent bear spray I have, if that doesn't work...

And I also know, the chances are slim of either needing the spray or the gun, but it seems like there are more confrontationn/bear confortations every year.
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Postby tomp » Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:48 am

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Postby f5fstop » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:05 pm

Those tiny guns are catching on fast. I know Alrock has one of the tiny Sigs. I fired it a couple months ago when he was in town. Heard good things about the Ruger....
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Postby alrock » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:17 pm

Yep, Sig P238. I lot of friends have fired it and seem to have liked it.
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Postby Jeff » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:31 pm

I had a Ruger LCP

nice gun but I traded it on a Glock 17 (long story short...evil ex gf wanted to learn to shoot and the little pocket 380s werent ideal)

Replaced the Ruger with a S&W Bodyguard 380

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Postby USVibrant » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:27 pm

alrock wrote:Yep, Sig P238. I lot of friends have fired it and seem to have liked it.



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