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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby beavis » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:48 pm

repellent for "meat bees"? They were everywhere in Strawberry.


yes





Once you have ensured you are, definitely, dealing with yellowjackets, here are some options to consider:

Yard cleanup - eliminating piles of yard or lawn trimmings, piles of lumber, or other unnecessary debris on the ground will eliminate much of the shelter the yellowjacket Queen looks for in establishing the initial nest. Cleaning up fruit that has fallen on the ground will take away a food source and attractant and help keep yellowjackets from congregating in your yard. This is especially important in late summer and fall, when we have a double edged sword - not only are we more likely to have the accumulation of foods, from apple or pear trees, tomato plants, etc., but the yellowjacket colonies also have reached a peak in their population.


Sanitation - cleaning garbage cans, tabletops, and other surfaces where we have spilled food. This, too, attracts the yellowjackets, as well as nasty flies that we would really prefer not to share our table with. If you look around your yard and find a buildup of the shiny, sticky honeydew on the plants (from the aphids) you should consider washing it off with the garden hose. You can speed that process up with a hose-end sprayer attachment with some liquid detergent in it.
Watch What You Wear! - yellowjackets may be attracted to certain colors (yellow, orange, or purple seem to be favorites) or odors, such as perfume or cologne. Commercial insect repellents do not seem to do much to deter yellowjackets.


Trapping - various kinds of traps are available, designed to entice yellowjackets in, where they are trapped and cannot escape, dying within the trap. These can be laced with baits that may come with them, or with meats or sweets that you can buy yourself. Those that work well are fish baits - sardines, mackerel, salmon - or citrus flavor soda syrups. Traps should be placed away from those areas where people frequent, to draw the pests away from people rather than to them. Experience seems to indicate that, while you will no doubt catch a lot of yellowjackets, you should not expect to eliminate an entire colony simply by using traps.


Spraying or Dusting - this works well, and may be the method chosen by a Professional Pest Control company, should you contract with one to take care of the problem. However, these experts have protective clothing and application tools you may not, as the chemicals may excite the yellowjackets when their nests are sprayed or dusted.
Generally spraying a yard area is of little value, and "directed spray" aerosol cans are designed more for the smaller, exposed nests of "Umbrella Wasps".


Baiting - this is an ideal method, as it provides food mixed with a toxic product, which the foraging workers collect and take back to the nest to feed to their larvae. In the process they kill not only all the larvae, but also themselves, as they are exposed while carrying the meat in their mouths.

Only one pesticide is labeled for this, and it is not generally available to the retail market. However, it is used widely by the professional pest control industry which is trained in how to use it correctly and with little exposure to animals that are not intended for it. Contact a licensed pest control company if you would like more information on this.

Yellowjackets are certainly "beneficial" in their role as predators of other bugs, but there are times that their presence in our yards or homes cannot be tolerated.






Once you have ensured you are, definitely, dealing with yellowjackets, here are some options to consider:
Yard cleanup - eliminating piles of yard or lawn trimmings, piles of lumber, or other unnecessary debris on the ground will eliminate much of the shelter the yellowjacket Queen looks for in establishing the initial nest. Cleaning up fruit that has fallen on the ground will take away a food source and attractant and help keep yellowjackets from congregating in your yard. This is especially important in late summer and fall, when we have a double edged sword - not only are we more likely to have the accumulation of foods, from apple or pear trees, tomato plants, etc., but the yellowjacket colonies also have reached a peak in their population.
Sanitation - cleaning garbage cans, tabletops, and other surfaces where we have spilled food. This, too, attracts the yellowjackets, as well as nasty flies that we would really prefer not to share our table with. If you look around your yard and find a buildup of the shiny, sticky honeydew on the plants (from the aphids) you should consider washing it off with the garden hose. You can speed that process up with a hose-end sprayer attachment with some liquid detergent in it.
Watch What You Wear! - yellowjackets may be attracted to certain colors (yellow, orange, or purple seem to be favorites) or odors, such as perfume or cologne. Commercial insect repellents do not seem to do much to deter yellowjackets.
Trapping - various kinds of traps are available, designed to entice yellowjackets in, where they are trapped and cannot escape, dying within the trap. These can be laced with baits that may come with them, or with meats or sweets that you can buy yourself. Those that work well are fish baits - sardines, mackerel, salmon - or citrus flavor soda syrups. Traps should be placed away from those areas where people frequent, to draw the pests away from people rather than to them. Experience seems to indicate that, while you will no doubt catch a lot of yellowjackets, you should not expect to eliminate an entire colony simply by using traps.
Spraying or Dusting - this works well, and may be the method chosen by a Professional Pest Control company, should you contract with one to take care of the problem. However, these experts have protective clothing and application tools you may not, as the chemicals may excite the yellowjackets when their nests are sprayed or dusted.
Generally spraying a yard area is of little value, and "directed spray" aerosol cans are designed more for the smaller, exposed nests of "Umbrella Wasps".
Baiting - this is an ideal method, as it provides food mixed with a toxic product, which the foraging workers collect and take back to the nest to feed to their larvae. In the process they kill not only all the larvae, but also themselves, as they are exposed while carrying the meat in their mouths.

Only one pesticide is labeled for this, and it is not generally available to the retail market. However, it is used widely by the professional pest control industry which is trained in how to use it correctly and with little exposure to animals that are not intended for it. Contact a licensed pest control company if you would like more information on this.
Yellowjackets are certainly "beneficial" in their role as predators of other bugs, but there are times that their presence in our yards or homes cannot be tolerated.
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Rich » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:01 pm

okay, looks to be a small trip - which has it's advantages too.

Good bunch of us camping....

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Johnny H1 (arriving late)

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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Sewie » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:34 pm

Rich wrote:okay, looks to be a small trip


Just got a little smaller. :( Looks like I'm out for this one. Something's going on with the truck and I can't figure out exactly what the problem is yet. But it definitely won't be driveable this weekend. :wall:
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Rich » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:07 am

bummer. :wall:

now where did I put that trail book. :where:
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby mak209 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:00 pm

I think I can make it. I asked my wife for the day off. she said just dont break anything.and change the babies before you leave. :roll: :yuck: :yuck:
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Rich » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:27 pm

mak209 wrote:I think I can make it. I asked my wife for the day off. she said just dont break anything.and change the babies before you leave. :roll: :yuck: :yuck:



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Very cool. I look forward to meeting you. I've picked a few shorter moderate trails so nothing too extreme. The trails are a little tight fo an H1 but aren't they all. 8)
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby JohnnySizzle » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:13 am

"I've picked a few shorter moderate trails so nothing too extreme."

Extreme can be fun too!!! :) :)

Looks like Jamie will be off work around 1:30pm Rich so there is a VERY good chance of us getting up there sooner!
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby H2 BULLY » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:34 am

You guys have fun. Hopefully see you next time.
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Rich » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:15 pm

JohnnySizzle wrote:Looks like Jamie will be off work around 1:30pm Rich so there is a VERY good chance of us getting up there sooner!


cool! Gimme a call when you know what time your leaving for sure. Maybe we'll even have time to hit a trail before dark. 8)

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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Rich » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:16 pm

H2 BULLY wrote:You guys have fun. Hopefully see you next time.


Gonna miss you guys. :( We'll plan the next one for when you can be there for sure. 8)
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Mark » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:22 pm

Rich wrote:
H2 BULLY wrote:You guys have fun. Hopefully see you next time.


Gonna miss you guys. :( We'll plan the next one for when you can be there for sure. 8)

Wait, you lied, you said the post above this one was your last transmission :P :lol:

Have fun everyone 8)
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby beavis » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:25 pm

This is my last internet transmission.


Maybe he means forever :o :o :o :o

Where was he headed again?

Africa? :lol:
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Re: NorCal Bear Valley July 12th

Postby Mark » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:28 pm

beavis wrote:Africa? :lol:

Oh great, now somebody is going to review that African webcam thread again :where: ;) :lol:
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