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Trail ethics education.

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:32 pm
by Rod
If you take your truck off-road then you need to know a thing or two about trail ethics.

Tread Lightly offers an excellent free online course, "Tread Lightly! 101" Online Awareness Course.

I took the course today and really enjoyed it. Learned a few things, too.

Please do take this course at your earliest opportunity. It takes about 30 minutes. If you have questions, post 'em here and you'll surely get answers.

    "Federal, state, and local regulations are not enough. Regulations can set limitations, but they will not fit all circumstances or situations that will arise. Good decision-making starts with understanding the reasons why certain behaviors are good or bad."


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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:24 pm
by Sewie
Cool they put something like that up. (Although it did feel like it was geared more towards kids.)

They also have flyers you can download.

Quick Tips for Responsible Four Wheeling

Notice the rig on the cover. 8)

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:29 pm
by Sewie
Here's another good one from StaytheTrail.org.

Off-HIGHWAY Guididelines for Motorized Vehihicles [pdf]

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:51 pm
by Rich
took the course and learned a few things.

All in all very cool. :yup:

Two things I disagree with.

1. I'm not packing my poo out! :no: :yuck:

2. Can't see finding an arrowhead and leaving it. My brother found one last year in a dry stream bed - leaving it there would surely have made sure nobody would ever see it again. What's the point? :duh:

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:00 am
by Bellvis
Rich wrote:1. I'm not packing my poo out! :no: :yuck:


X2



Lots of good info on that little quiz.... :yup: :yup: I passed!

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:32 am
by Sewie
Rich wrote:1. I'm not packing my poo out! :no: :yuck:


:no: :no: :no: :no: :no:

That's exactly the attitude we need to change. Human waste is actually one of the biggest issues facing trails like the Rubicon and trails out in the desert.

http://www.delalbright.com/Rubicon/sani ... -Whe-45703

http://www.delalbright.com/Rubicon/spider.htm

That's why they make systems like the PETT.

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:53 am
by Rich
ya okay then. Just remind me not to be on the trail for more than two days in a sensative area like that. :yuck:

Packing it out is not ever going to be a viable solution, people won't do it.

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:58 am
by Sewie
Rich wrote:Packing it out is not ever going to be a viable solution, people won't do it.


People do it all the time. We did it on both or Rubicon trips, and our Moonrocks trip. If you really believe in land use and Tread Lightly principles then you would too. You can't just pick and choose which parts you want to follow.

And if people don't do it, then prepare for more closures and trail restrictions like traffic quotas. Especially in places like the Sierras.

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:01 am
by Rich
So would this include urine too?

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:10 am
by Sewie
Rich wrote:So would this include urine too?


Not by itself. It's the solid waste that is the real concern.

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:18 am
by Rod
Packing out waste is actually pretty easy if you have a Bumper Dumper or other portable potty that holds bags.

When everyone is done I roll up the bag and bungee it to the inside of the spare tire carrier. No mess, no smell and way easy to dispose of when a trashcan comes into sight.

In other news ...

Back when I was a Boy Scout we'd often bathe in rivers and lakes while camping. Turns out that's not such a good idea.

Do not wash in lakes and streams. Even biodegradable detergents, toothpaste, and soap harm fish and other aquatic life.

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:06 am
by Toots
What's the difference between a bear crapping in the woods and a human crapping in the woods? Just curious. :duh:

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:20 am
by The Other Rob
Toots wrote:What's the difference between a bear crapping in the woods and a human crapping in the woods? Just curious. :duh:


They did an analysis of bear poo and found little greenie bits in the poo and decided it wasn't a good idea to frell with them...

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:17 am
by ronb
Toots wrote:What's the difference between a bear crapping in the woods and a human crapping in the woods? Just curious. :duh:


1000 bears...millions of people? Having shot alot in various horrible (but cool looking) alleys in downtown, I'd rather be stepping in bear poop (instead of bum dung).

rb

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:20 am
by Bondage
Most of the places I wheel in require that solid human waste EITHER be packed out or buried a minimun of 6 inches under the sand. I go the burying route. :yup: